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Friday, May 27, 2011

buena respuestas... :D
mas alla de la verdad estodo un tema con las palabras ...yo creo tambien que quisa a veces es un tema con el que se toparon los traductores al elegir las palabras adjetivas cuando se refieren a descripciones de personajes biblicos porque su entendimiento les resultaba imposible comprender que algun personaje biblico pudiera ser de piel morena. Pero creo que si Dios asi lo quiso por algo es...
depues de un estudio que realise llegue a la conclusion de que el personje del que se habla en ese parrafo es un hombre de piel marron oscura, similar al color de piel de michael jordan, cabello trensado (quisa trensas similares a los dreadlocks que popularizaron los rastafarios) y una piel brillante y pulida como el oro o la madera pulida.
como llegue a esta conclusion( aclaro que esta es una curiosidad y vale por una cuestion de definicion, ya que incluso sin la necesidad de strong podria llegar a esta conclusion)
pueden checkear esto si tienen strong en castellano en esword, o si saben ingles en este link
de king james, pongo la traduccion literal al lado
5:10 [is] white/blanco 6703 and ruddy/ y rosado(de piel rosada) 122,
5:11 His head/su cabeza 7218 [is as] fine gold/oro fino 6337, his locks/sus trenzas 6977  black/negras 7838 as a raven/como el cuervo 6158.(bushy: or, curled) /epso o enrulado
saquen sus propias conclusiones:
[quote]Strong: H6703 (use el traductor de google para traducir todo, dejo el link del ingles http://www.godrules.net/library/strongs2a/heb6703.htm
Orig: a partir de 6705, deslumbrante, es decir, soleado, luminoso, (en sentido figurado) evidente: - claro, seco, claridad, color blanco. H6705
Uso: Adjetivo TWOT-1903a
Fuerte Grk: G1515 G3022
     1) deslumbrante, brillante, clara y brillante[/quote]
http://www.godrules.net/library/strongs2a/heb122.htm
[quote]Pronuncia: AW-domo

Fuerte: H122

Orig: de 119, color de rosa: - rojo, colorado. H119

Uso: Adjetivo TWOT-26b

Grk fuerte:

     1) rojo, colorado (de hombre, caballo, vaca, ropa, agua, lentejas)[/quote]
ahora piensen esto, que se parece de estos dos a un rojo, colorado, caballo, vaca, agua, lentejas:
[img]http://www.fortcentrerda.com/images/spider.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.wegmans.com/prodimg/308/200/074873163308.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.flowers-magzine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Red-Roses.jpg[/img]
[img]http://4photos.net/photosv2/554136_cow.jpg[/img]
buena respuestas... :D
mas alla de la verdad estodo un tema con las palabras ...yo creo tambien que quisa a veces es un tema con el que se toparon los traductores al elegir las palabras adjetivas cuando se refieren a descripciones de personajes biblicos porque su entendimiento les resultaba imposible comprender que algun personaje biblico pudiera ser de piel morena. Pero creo que si Dios asi lo quiso por algo es...
depues de un estudio que realise llegue a la conclusion de que el personje del que se habla en ese parrafo es un hombre de piel marron oscura, similar al color de piel de michael jordan, cabello trensado (quisa trensas similares a los dreadlocks que popularizaron los rastafarios) y una piel brillante y pulida como el oro o la madera pulida.
como llegue a esta conclusion( aclaro que esta es una curiosidad y vale por una cuestion de definicion, ya que incluso sin la necesidad de strong podria llegar a esta conclusion)
pueden checkear esto si tienen strong en castellano en esword, o si saben ingles en este link
de king james, pongo la traduccion literal al lado
5:10 [is] white/blanco 6703 and ruddy/ y rosado(de piel rosada) 122,
5:11 His head/su cabeza 7218 [is as] fine gold/oro fino 6337, his locks/sus trenzas 6977  black/negras 7838 as a raven/como el cuervo 6158.(bushy: or, curled) /epso o enrulado
saquen sus propias conclusiones:
[quote]Strong: H6703 (use el traductor de google para traducir todo, dejo el link del ingles http://www.godrules.net/library/strongs2a/heb6703.htm
Orig: a partir de 6705, deslumbrante, es decir, soleado, luminoso, (en sentido figurado) evidente: - claro, seco, claridad, color blanco. H6705
Uso: Adjetivo TWOT-1903a
Fuerte Grk: G1515 G3022
     1) deslumbrante, brillante, clara y brillante[/quote]
http://www.godrules.net/library/strongs2a/heb122.htm
[quote]Pronuncia: AW-domo

Fuerte: H122

Orig: de 119, color de rosa: - rojo, colorado. H119

Uso: Adjetivo TWOT-26b

Grk fuerte:

     1) rojo, colorado (de hombre, caballo, vaca, ropa, agua, lentejas)[/quote]

Friday, May 13, 2011

solomon was black?

I know this could be as trivial as it gets or as it could, but is interesting in some extent:
(this is taken as a curiosity not for start a debate of any kind)
I am not a big fan of Strong concordance , but it can be usefull and its funny to check it too from time to time I have to admite it, most of all for getting more definitions of nous, because most of times translators need to chose a word among several terms, and some relation with other words is lost in translation, but I consider not using much for other aspects because the teachings are good as they are like that, and the understanding goes for a spiritual matter than just the plain meaning (thats why I rather old translations) but here is what I wanted to talk about:
5:10 My beloved 1730 [is] white 6703 and ruddy 122, the chiefest 1713 8803 among ten thousand 7233.(the chiefest: Heb. a standard bearer) 5:11 His head 7218 [is as] the most 3800 fine gold 6337, his locks 6977 [are] bushy 8534, [and] black 7838 as a raven 6158.(bushy: or, curled) the first part seams to be talking about a white man :D but the second one talkes about someone with head like gold and hair black as a raven and bushy :D


well thats because the translation of white, as in much other places is related not to color white but "brilliant", or "shining", and the word "ruddy" means reddish, like horse or lentils, check Strong`s concordance.. ruddy*H122= 1) red, ruddy (of man, horse, heifer, garment, water, lentils)*white*H6703= 1) dazzling, glowing, clear, bright, just think about which kind of man looks like a bay horse or lentils red ;D
then in the second part talks about gold :
Strong: H3800

Orig: from 3799; properly, something carved out, i.e. ore; hence, gold (pure as originally mined):--((most) fine, pure) gold(-en wedge). H3799
Use: TWOT-1057 Noun Masculine
Strong: H6337

Orig: from 6338; pure (gold); hence, gold itself (as refined):--fine (pure) gold. H6338
Use: TWOT-1753a Noun Masculine

in the previous verse mentioned the color of the head or, I think gold means other thing than color, but a kind of substance

source http://www.blueletterbible.org/
and http://www.godrules.net/library/kjvstrongs/kjvstrongsson5.htm

song of solomon

just in case anyone wonder why in song 5:10 says "he is white and ruddy"  is because the translation of white, as in much other places is related not to color white but "brilliant", or "shining", and the word "ruddy" means reddish, like horse or lentils ;:D, check Strong`s concordance.. ruddy*H122= 1) red, ruddy (of man, horse, heifer, garment, water, lentils)*white*H6703= 1) dazzling, glowing, clear, bright, just think about which kind of man looks like a horse red or lentils red

Saturday, May 7, 2011

abbadon p 2

forumextract from me comenting  :P

I wont continue this off topic discussion, but I will try to explain two new topics added to this, which I rather not leave in blank for it is not what I meant to say:
sorry for my bad english, I meant:
my interpretation is not a classical interpretation.
my particular perception about your exposition is that your interpretation is *"

Precisely that was all the big post all about, I used it as an example for interpretation being influenced by classical teachings including a lot of condiment unexistant in the bible. not for an off topic.

All the information added regarding that character being a fallen angel in several definitions is not found in the bible.

All the beast in the bible written as coming out of the sea are coming out of the bottomples pit.
bu the bible does not say abbadon is comming out off the bottome less pit.
it says the locus came out first, but abbadon is mentioned as a previously presented  character.
or as much as a character from which is not mentioned from where it comes, only to what is related: OF the bottomles pit
(but I know that even if not mentioned, not necesary is unexistant.)

From bible.cc Strong
[quote]Strong concordance:
Abaddon.

Of Hebrew origin ('abaddown); [b]a destroying angel[/b] -- Abaddon.

see HEBREW 'abaddown

Ἀβαδδὼν (abaddōn) − 1 Occurrence
<< 622   
623. Apolluón
   
624 >>
"a destroyer," Apollyon, the angel of the abyss
Original Word: Ἀπολλύων, ονος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Apolluón
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-ol-loo'-ohn)
Short Definition: Apollyon, Destroyer
Definition: Apollyon, The Destroying One, a Greek translation of the Hebrew: Abaddon.

[b]Cognate: 623 Apollýōn (from 622 /apóllymi, "cause to perish, be ruined") – properly, "the destroyer" (from the Abyss), i.e. Satan (used only in Rev 9:11).[/b]
Word Origin
active participle of apollumi
Definition
"a destroyer," Apollyon, the angel of the abyss
NASB Word Usage
Apollyon (1).


(in the last definition the author added "satan", thats clearly a personal interpretation which will influence readers...)
it means the destroyer.
Thats why I posted all the bible quotes, there are many places in which the angel of the lord is called "the destroyer" , 
abbadon is not called king abbadon, is named as being a king (boss) over those critters coming outside the bottomless pit. Paul mentioned the existance of many orders of powers.

[/quote]
In the New Testament the word occurs once (Re 9:11), the personalization becoming sharp. Abaddon is here not the world of the dead, but the angel who reigns over it. The Greek equivalent of his name is given as Apollyon. Under this name Bunyan presents him in the Pilgrim’s Progress, and Christendom has doubtless been more interested in this presentation of the matter than in any other.[/quote]
the previous fit my theory I think... a theory among others written on a forum post... sorry for the off topic

So, why are Christians so afraid to question what goes on around them

[quote]So, why are Christians so afraid to question what goes on around them?[/quote]
my answer from forum
It is a matter of the personal experiences of each one I think... its hard to accept you are being cheated, because it means that you committed a mistake in believing them first, its an strike to the ego, that's one of the causes, but not most of the cases, other is that you can not accept someone you learned to trust because you think they want good for you, is indeed cheating you,(to inform is supposedly an act of love if you think, because you are teaching something, showing something, and lying is an act of evil, all the opposite...
The bible say, woe to the ones who present dark for light, good for evil etc, so I think its related also the the trust in men, I think one have to trust God only, then any situation to human is subjetc to a possible failure in any point, if you think, even if you accept the media wants to tell you the truth only, they are human!, there is no way they could be right about every thing they say all the time, I mean all the information, if we talk about  other matters, we can say, well, people can be inspired form God, then we are subject to discernment then, all the time, and of course that affects the way we understand things, and accept things etc, I think most of things related of an information should be taken partially, due ourself understanding, because even if the information is right, can we be right about the way we see everything all the time? I think that's why we move through faith, even if we accept a risk of mistaken, the principle is the conscience of honesty in what we do,

Friday, May 6, 2011

the destroyer

[quote author=Whrose link=topic=10026.msg82890#msg82890 date=1304694511]
I agree Kaiiju. There is a big difference between opinions of what the Bible is saying and what the words used in the Bible are.

There are 2 different verses which are keys in this discussion. Both are speaking of the bottomless pit.


(KJ)Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, [i]which is[/i] the angel OF the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

NASB Rev 9:11 They have as king over them, the angel of the abyss; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek he has the name Apollyon.

[i]Abaddon and Apollyon mean Destroyer.[/i]

OF= a preposition meaning:made from; belonging to; about; connected to; included among


Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; [b]and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit[/b], and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


Doug has stated in the discussion that the beast which ascends out of the bottomless pit is different from Apollyon. With careful reading I agree but they have a shared place in common and that place is the bottomless pit, and a shared function...destruction.
[/quote]
But there is no scripture regarding apollyon rising from the pit, or getting out of it, nor being released from it, if appolyon is the previously mentioned angel, is ironyc that him is the one who jails the devil, if appolyon is a God's angel, I dont think he will care about being called a devil, but its interesting handle all the clear possibilities that bible offers,
and not give up to think about different theoryes,
but I pressume you believe apollyon is not the angel with the key, but a different one... but if you believe that the name "destroyer" descrives a negative function for itself, its not so, but a function, someone who destroys... but what destroys? the bible says he is an angel, there is no doubt it says so, it says its an angel of abbys, it says so, but the info that its a fallen angell is not found anywhere else, but only in catholical theories that there are devil angels rulling hell (dualism), but the truth is that the bible only talks about evil angels waiting judgement in tartarus...


the word 'of' means the same in most of the languages,  OF= a preposition meaning:made from; belonging to; about; connected to; included among
I would add 'from'. but
[b]belonging to; about; connected to; included among[/b] states perfectly the idea that it could be talking as 'him' being in charge of the abbys. There are seven angels, all of them have different functions.

I dont understand clearly why is so hard to see the possible other side of classic interpretations?¿? but its a matter of ideas I think...
I think, wherent angels from God the angels who [b]destroyed [/b]all the enemies from israel in the OT? what means destroy?

[quote][b]de·stroy[/b]
/dɪˈstrɔɪ/ Show Spelled[dih-stroi] Show IPA
–verb (used with object)
1.
to reduce (an object) to useless fragments, a useless form, or remains, as by rending, burning, or dissolving; injure beyond repair or renewal; demolish; ruin; annihilate.
2.
to put an end to; extinguish.
3.
to kill; slay.

[b]spoil[/b]
/spɔɪl/ Show Spelled [spoil] Show IPA verb, spoiled or spoilt, spoil·ing, noun
–verb (used with object)
1.
to damage severely or harm (something), especially with reference to its excellence, value, usefulness, etc.: The water stain spoiled the painting. Drought spoiled the corn crop.
2.
to diminish or impair the quality of; affect detrimentally: Bad weather spoiled their vacation.
3.
to impair, damage, or harm the character or nature of (someone) by unwise treatment, excessive indulgence, etc.: to spoil a child by pampering him.
[b]—Synonyms[/b]
1.  disfigure, [b]destroy[/b], demolish, mar. Spoil, ruin, wreck  agree in meaning to reduce the value, quality, usefulness, etc., of anything. Spoil  is the general term: to spoil a delicate fabric. Ruin  implies doing completely destructive or irreparable injury: to ruin one's health. Wreck  implies a violent breaking up or demolition: to wreck oneself with drink; to wreck a building.[/quote]

So pay attention to this quotes, and about whom is in them talking about...
[quote]job 20The wicked man travaileth with pain all his days, and the number of years is hidden to the oppressor.

21A dreadful sound is in his ears: in prosperity [b]the destroyer[/b] shall come upon him.
[/quote]
[quote]ac 12:23 And immediately the [b][size=14pt]angel of the Lord[/size] [/b][b][u]smote him[/u][/b], because he [b]gave not God the glor[/b]y: and he [b]was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost[/b].[/quote]

[quote]heb 11:28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he[b] that destroyed the firstborn[/b] should touch them[/quote]

[quote] jer 51Though Babylon should mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify the height of her strength, [b]yet from me shall spoilers come unto her[/b], saith the LORD.
54A sound of a cry cometh from Babylon, and great destruction from the land of the Chaldeans:
55Because the [b]LORD hath spoiled Babylon[/b], and [b]destroyed out of her the great voice;[/b] when her waves do roar like great waters, a noise of their voice is uttered:
56Because[b] the spoiler [/b]is come upon her, even upon Babylon, and her mighty men are taken, every one of their bows is broken: for the LORD God of recompences shall surely requite.
57And I will make drunk her princes, and her wise men, her captains, and her rulers, and her mighty men: and they shall sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the King, whose name is the[b] LORD of hosts. [/b]
[/quote]

[quote]1 co 10-9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. 10Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and [b][size=12pt]were destroyed of the destroyer[/size].[/b]
[/quote]

[quote][size=12pt]exod 12:23[b]For [u][size=14pt]the LORD will pass through to smite[/size][/u] the Egyptians[/b][/size]; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts,[b] [size=12pt][u]the LORD[/u][/size] will pass over the door[/b], and will not suffer[b] [size=14pt]the destroyer[/size][/b] to come in unto your [size=14pt]houses [u][b]to smite[/b][/u] [/size][you].[/quote]

[quote]
deu 9:3Understand therefore this day, that the LORD thy God [is] he which goeth over before thee; [as] a consuming fire he [size=12pt][b]shall destroy them[/b][/size], and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, [size=12pt][b]and destroy them quickly, as the LORD hath said unto thee[/b][/size].[/quote]

[quote]is 30:30 And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall shew the lighting down [b]of his arm[/b], with the indignation of [his] anger, and [with] the flame of a devouring fire, [with] scattering, and tempest, and hailstones.
[/quote]

[quote]ps 18
37I have pursued mine enemies, and overtaken them: neither did I turn again till they were consumed.

38I have wounded them that they were not able to rise: they are fallen under my feet.

39For thou hast girded me with strength unto the battle: thou hast subdued under me those that rose up against me.

40Thou hast also given me the necks of mine enemies; [b]that I might destroy them that hate me.[/b]

41They cried, but there was none to save them: even unto the LORD, but he answered them not.

42Then [size=12pt][b]did I beat them small as the dust before the wind: I did cast them out as the dirt in the streets.[/b][/size]

43Thou hast delivered me from the strivings of the people; and thou hast made me the head of the heathen: a people whom I have not known shall serve me. [/quote]

So as you have seen the name "destroyer" has been used several times to describe the one who executes judgement from God.

Thursday, May 5, 2011

comment about false miracles

[quote author=Whrose link=topic=10026.msg82874#msg82874 date=1304625457]
[quote] Doug:

There is another possibility.   That it is actually God who brings the mortally wounded Antichrist man back to life.    Here is why I say that.   In Isaiah 14, which is usually attributed as being satan, I think it could possibly be about the Antichrist man. [/quote]

I really have a hard time with God resurrecting ac man. In fact...I can not believe it! It is not the Righteous nature and character of my Lord to do something like this.

Incarnation and possession is a more likely explanation of this theory.

[/quote]

Because In my opinion some non biblical beliefs are influencing certain analysis in the discussion, and a tendency to conect unrelated topics in the prophecy, for example appolyon, which in a clear consideration has no relation to any further part(with different participants), unless you assume John is changing names or definitions in posterior parts. If so, anything can be considered to be so in most of the parts of the bible even the revelations.

Por example : In several parts is written that only God can make real miracles, Paul said that the anticrist would make "lying wonders", so all his work will be deceit.
Jesus said:
[quote]"Because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed."[/quote]
Much people will be deceived because they will believe what they see. Also I have see much Christian missquoting Jesus when he said :
[quote]and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, [b]if it were possible[/b], they shall deceive the very elect.[/quote]
The elect wont be deceived, but Jesus said the wonders will be terrible,
(recently sai baba died and there was multitudes of people worshiping him, and all the miracles he did was just materialise dust and collars! a simple magic trick.)
So the miracle will be faked for sure.
Quoting Thor from his new movie(in the movie thor is an heroic thunder god who rebelled to Odin(his father) and was vanished and fallen to earth ;P)
Thor said "what we called magic you call science"(they send a clear message about their beliefs in here)
So if in any case there was a genetic treatment using nanomachines or anything which could bring people to life in a zombified state, or cure from any illnesses;
it would not be a miracle, it would be just technology, but since such technology does not exist, if that happened, all the people will believe it was a miracle(except the elect ones)
And only spirits of devils can posses people, I could admit if you think an spirit of old could posses and give power to a man. I think is the devil himself who wil be in a body, maybe a cloned body or artificially modified, but unless you believe in ghost or people  turning into demons, there is no way a person who lived before comes to life like that, but it does not mean that by cloning or something alike or even for a possesing spirit, people would be lead to believe so...
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The other concept that is sometimes ignored, is that the devil is not against the devil, and the devil doest not rule the underworld or hell, the bible does not teach a dualist world view, but it says that the demon are in opposition to God because of the rebellion of sin.
 As ruling powers, demons have places and areas where they can act. the places where God allows them to stay only!
just it was not clear when the demon asked Jesus to let them go into the pigs?

[quote]1And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: [b][size=14pt]and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit[/size].[/b] 2[b]And he opened the bottomless pit; [/b]and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit[/quote]

If you think, it would be not an absolutely relevant information to know this info:
[quote]And they had a king over them, [size=12pt]which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek[/size] tongue hath his name Apollyon. [/quote]
But for every word in the Bible there is a reason!, even for people to get wrong or Right about it.
I think this quote means :
[b]And they had a king over them, which is the angel (who is in control) of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. [/b]
[size=14pt][b]The angel who is 'in charge' of the bottomless pit, not 'from' the bottomless pit!!!!!!!!!!!![/b][/size]!


[quote]1[size=14pt][b]And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit [/b][/size]and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. [/quote]

how come a fallen angel is ordered to jail the devil ? it does not make any sense, !!!
even in the firs chapter it clearly says that Jesus has the key of death and hell, and in the previous phrase says "it was given the key..." so can you imagine Jesus giving the key to a fallen angel???!!!!!!!
some people (the masons for example) thinks that apolyon is the devil, but how come the devil hailed himself?
I think the catholical view of hell influenced the interpretation of apolion being the devil, because they believed the devil ruled hell, so the phrase "the angel of the bottom less pit" could not mean any other thing than the devil. I think the biblical names for the devil means, the tempter, the enemy, the evil one, and the prince of demons, prince od the powers of the air (or something like it).
 So well, someone would argue :
 they are demons, so the king is the devil or any other demon, but the context does not fit them to be normal demons in case they are, because it says, that they are released, they were kept in a place, and demons who posses people are not in hell, ar in air (the empty part of the spiritual realm)

also someone could say:
 well, the angel of the bottomless pit is a different one than the one which the key from the bottomless pit, well, there is no reason to think so, because it would be adding or dividing elements which has clear reason outside giving credit to that theory,but even if you believe he rules over the plagues,

the chapter 9 names an star falling from star and the key given to him, then an angel is named, then he opens the pit, then the plagues come outside, then an angel is named. it says him to be the angel of the bottomless pit, I[b] think the grammar reference is pointing clearly to the previous named angel, anyone knows that stars are referred to angels,[/b] someone could say there is no way to know if its a fallen or not,
but  in the other parts of the revelations, is clarified when a fallen on its a devil's angel, but in this case I admit there could be a confusion due the fact that is mentioned as "[b]falling from heaven to earth"[/b] but if instead the word fallen it said [b]"coming from heaven" (as it states on the other chapter)[/b] or [b]"flew from heaven" [/b]the meaning remains the same, but since it was talking about an star possible to produce the idea of a fast meteor falling in the reader's mind, other word could have not achieved that effect.
But anyone has right to have their opinions...